"Q. Was anything else said about the plan to murder
Ford Greene at that meeting? "
A. Not that I can recall right now.
"Q. Now, you said that Tim Bowles, Ken Moxon and
Laurie Bartilson of the law firm of Bowles & Moxon
were present during that meeting. Did they say
anything during that meeting? "
A. Laurie was totally silent during the entire
meeting. She said absolutely nothing. Tim Bowles
said that Ford Greene was a decisive threat
because of his relationship with Gerry Armstrong.
I questioned that because having known Ford Greene
in 1987, at which time I carried out an
operation against him, I told Tim that the
man was a drug addict, he was a drunk, he was
very insecure, mentally unstable and that he was not a threat, but they
seemed to feel that he was a decisive threat because of his
relationship with Gerald Armstrong and that --
we had to lose him.
"Q. Tim Bowles said that? "
A. Yes. Tim Bowles himself.
"Q. Did Mr. Bowles voice any opposition to
the of killing of Ford Greene? "
A. Absolutely not. Kendrick Moxon did not
voice any opposition to him. In fact, when
Eugene made the comment there is "
no loss in a dead fag," everyone laughed.
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"Q. What did Gene Ingram say about what
might be done after Ford Greene had been killed?"
A. He simply brought up what we had
discussed in November again with the possibility
if I saw no other way out, that I could kill myself.
"Q. And that was to commit suicide like you
told us about before? "
A. That was to put a gun barrel in my mouth,
stick it up to my gums and blow my brains out.
"Q. Have you ever heard of a phrase of R245
in Scientology?
A. No, sir.
From the same deposition:
Q. Is [the Church of Scientology] engaged solely in religious,
charitable and humanitarian and community-oriented
endeavors? And I am focusing on the word
"solely."
A. I am sorry, I didn't see the word
"solely." That changes things. No, that is a
deliberate lie.
Q. What is the basis for your answer
that it is not solely engaged in those things?
Very briefly.
A. I would answer that with a question.
Would you please tell me what is charitable,
humanitarian and community-oriented about ordering
the deaths of two individuals they perceive to be
enemies of the church?
Q. And to what are you referring in that
regard?
A. They ordered me to murder Cynthia
Kisser and Ford Greene. Please tell me how that
can be construed as charitable, religious,
humanitarian or community-oriented. It doesn't
make a lot of sense to me. Does it to you?